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Jesus did not know the day or hour

A mistaken claim

Jesus himself said that no one knows the day or hour of the end, not the angels, not the Son, only the Father. God knows everything. If Jesus did not know, then he cannot be God. He was a great prophet who served God, not God himself.

What the evidence shows

You are reading the verse correctly: Jesus says the Son does not know the day or hour, and Christians have never removed or hidden it. The argument works against a Jesus who was God with no real human life, which is not what Christians believe. Christianity teaches that Jesus is fully God and also fully human, with a human mind that grew and had limits, so the verse fits what Christians claim rather than refuting it. Read in its own passage, the same speech also places the Son above the angels and claims for his words a permanence the prophets gave only to the word of God.

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  1. Why it seems true
  2. The verse is real, and Christians have kept it in plain view
  3. Christians claim Jesus was fully human, and a human mind has limits
  4. The same sentence ranks the Son above the angels
  5. The verse before it claims for Jesus' words what the prophets said of God's word
  6. This verse does not settle who Jesus is, in either direction
  7. Questions you might still have
  8. Where this leaves us
  9. Check the sources

Why it seems true

The reasoning is short and it looks airtight. God knows everything; that is part of what it means to be God, and the Qur’an teaches that the knowledge of the Hour belongs to God alone. Jesus, in the Gospel of Mark, says: “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Mark 13:32). He places himself among those who do not know, and he places the Father alone among those who do. If one knows and the other does not, they cannot both be God. Jesus is speaking as what you understand him to be: a servant and messenger of God, honored and close to God, and not God. When Christians reply with talk of “two natures,” it can sound like a theory invented afterward to escape the plain words.

Much of this is right. The verse says what you say it says, and it is in Mark, which most scholars think is the earliest of the four Gospels. Matthew repeats it (Matthew 24:36). Christians should not explain it away. It is also true that God’s knowledge has no limits, and Christians believe that as firmly as you do. And the Gospels do show Jesus praying to God, depending on him, and calling him greater. That leaves one question: does the verse refute what Christians actually claim about Jesus?

The verse is real, and Christians have kept it in plain view

Some Christian answers to this verse sound evasive, and you are right to distrust them. Mark 13:32 is in the Gospel usually dated earliest, and Matthew includes it too. Christians copied it, read it aloud in worship, and argued about it for centuries. If the church had wanted to remove inconvenient words, these would have been a natural candidate. They are still there.

There is common ground on the subject of the verse itself. The Qur’an teaches that the knowledge of the Hour is with God alone (for example, 7:187 and 31:34). Jesus in Mark says the same about the day of the end: it belongs to the Father. On that point, the Gospel and the Qur’an agree.

This is a hard verse for Christians. A doctrine that has kept it in its own Scriptures and worked to understand it should at least be heard on what it claims.

Christians claim Jesus was fully human, and a human mind has limits

The argument goes: God knows everything; Jesus did not know something; so Jesus is not God. That would be decisive against a belief that Jesus was God appearing in human form without a real human life. Christians rejected that belief very early.

What Christians teach is called the incarnation, from the Latin for “made flesh”: the belief that the eternal Word of God took on a complete human life, body and mind, without ceasing to be what he was. Whatever you think of that claim, it is what Christianity is committed to, and it includes real human limits. Luke’s Gospel says that as a boy “Jesus grew in wisdom and stature” (Luke 2:52). The Gospels show him hungry, tired, grieving, and praying. A human mind that grows also has things it does not yet know.

Paul, writing around AD 60, describes this as a deliberate humbling: the one who existed “in the form of God” took “the form of a servant” (Philippians 2:6-11). Christians read Mark 13:32 inside that picture. The Son, living a true human life in obedience to the Father, speaks from within that life.

You may think that combination is impossible. That is a serious objection, and a separate one. Mark 13:32 does not refute the Christian claim; it describes part of it.

The same sentence ranks the Son above the angels

Look at the order of the verse: no one knows, “not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.” The sentence climbs. Angels are high; the Son is higher; the Father alone knows. Jesus puts himself above the angels and next to the Father, and he calls himself “the Son,” with no other qualification, in the same breath as “the Father.”

A word about that title. When Christians call Jesus the Son of God, they do not mean that God took a wife and had a child. Christians reject that idea as firmly as Muslims do. The title names a relationship: the one who comes from the Father, shares his nature, and makes him known.

Whatever you conclude about who Jesus is, the verse that says the Son does not know the day also gives him a rank no prophet or angel is given in it. Using the first half of the sentence while setting aside the second does not do the verse justice.

The verse before it claims for Jesus' words what the prophets said of God's word

Mark 13:32 ends a long speech about the end of the age, and the sentences before it matter. Jesus says the Son of Man will come “in the clouds with great power and glory” and send out the angels to gather God’s chosen people from the ends of the earth (Mark 13:26-27). This draws on Daniel’s vision of “one like the Son of Man coming with the clouds of heaven,” who receives an everlasting kingdom (Daniel 7:13-14).

Then, one sentence before the verse about the day and hour, Jesus says: “Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away” (Mark 13:31). The prophet Isaiah had said: “The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever” (Isaiah 40:8). In Isaiah it is God’s word that outlasts creation. Here Jesus says it of his own words.

If Mark is good evidence for what Jesus said in verse 32, it is equally good evidence for verse 31. Read together, the passage gives a Jesus who does not know the day, who commands the angels, and whose words outlast heaven and earth. Christians did not invent that combination to escape the verse; it comes from the verse’s own paragraph.

This verse does not settle who Jesus is, in either direction

Mark 13:32 does not disprove the Christian belief about Jesus, because that belief already holds that he lived a real human life with real limits. It does not prove the Christian belief either. Whether Jesus is more than a prophet depends on the whole of the earliest evidence, not on one verse.

That evidence is worth a look. Historians of early Christianity, including Larry Hurtado in Lord Jesus Christ, have shown that Jesus’ first followers, Jews who prayed to the one God of Israel, were already praying to and honoring Jesus within a few years of his death. Richard Bauckham argues in Jesus and the God of Israel that they did this not by adding a second god, which they would have rejected as you do, but by including Jesus within the identity of the one God. You may judge that they were wrong. It is a different question from the one this verse raises, and it is taken up at Jesus is God.

Questions you might still have

Isn't "two natures" a theory invented later to save the doctrine?

The technical vocabulary came later, as church leaders tried to state the belief precisely. The pattern it describes is in the earliest Christian writings. Paul, writing within about thirty years of Jesus, already describes one who was “in the form of God” taking “the form of a servant.” Luke’s Gospel says Jesus “grew in wisdom.” The early Christians held both kinds of statement together before anyone had a formula for it. You can still decide that the idea makes no sense. That would be a judgment about the idea, not evidence that Christians invented it to escape Mark 13:32.

Are you saying Jesus pretended not to know?

No. Some Christians have suggested he knew but was not sent to reveal it, and many Christians think that does not do justice to his words. The more natural reading is that in his human mind Jesus did not know the day. Christians say this was a real limit, accepted as part of a real human life, not a performance. That is what makes the verse costly to Christians, and why they do not hide it.

How can someone be God and not know something?

Christians admit that this is a mystery. They do not say God’s knowledge was ever reduced. They say that the Son, who shares the divine nature, also took on a human nature with a human mind, and that the human mind was limited, as human minds are. You may find that hard to accept; many people do. You can ask whether the claim contradicts itself or describes something unlike anything else, which is what Christians claim the incarnation is.

Jesus prays to God and calls the Father greater. Doesn't that settle it?

It shows that Jesus and the Father are distinct, which Christians agree with. Christians do not believe Jesus is the Father. They believe in one God who exists as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a teaching called the Trinity, and that the Son, during his human life, willingly took a servant’s place and prayed and obeyed as a man. Whether that teaching is consistent with belief in one God is a real question, and it is the subject of Jesus is God. Jesus praying to the Father is what that teaching expects.

Where this leaves us

You are right that Jesus said the Son does not know the day or hour, and right that God knows everything. The verse does not lead where it seems to, because Christians do not claim Jesus was God without a human life. They claim he was fully human as well, with a human mind that grew and had limits. The same passage also ranks the Son above the angels and gives his words a permanence Isaiah reserved for God’s word. None of that proves the Christian claim. It does move the question from this one verse to who the earliest witnesses believed Jesus to be, and why.

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Check the sources

This page relies on these sources. Each has its own page with the full citation and, where one exists, a link to the original.

  1. Official sourceThe Qur'an
  2. ScholarshipLord Jesus ChristLarry W. Hurtado
  3. ScholarshipJesus and the God of IsraelRichard Bauckham